Daf 575 water pump

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Hi. I'm on the GU south. Can anyone advise where I might source a new engine water pump for my Daf 575? Have found a company in Cheshire that can recondition but I'd rather save time and order a new one that can be fitted as soon as the old one is removed. This is leaking, presumably from the gasket as it is dripping down behind the pulley. Thanks very mic

Jamie
D/B Nooitvolmaakt

[DBA Forum (B) - Peter Southcott]

Hi Jamie
Just seen your posting I called D& P motor parts in Goole East Yorks but they must have closed.
Try them on Monday 01405 764651
They are really helpfull and should get something to you within 24 hours.
Good luck
Pete
Ms Eliza

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

Hello Jamie,

If Pete's contacts do not have a pump available you may need to contact NL - www.vinkdiesel.nl.
The leakage is probably from the shaft seal rather than a gasket.
There are two versions of the water pump one with a nut end on the shaft and the other with a stud. Vink will e-mail a drawing, if requested, to confirm which pump you have.

Andy Soper

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

These are a great help, thanks. I will try Goole on Monday otherwise the NL contact. Didn't think it would be so hard to find one for what was, and still is on barges, a fairly common engine!

[DBA Forum (B) - Pete Milne]

I have just fixed exactly this problem on my 575 Sihi pump at far less cost than a new pump. As Andy says there are two versions. One version is illustrated in the DAF575 manual, in the DBA library. Sihi (NL) sent me the sealing rings foc - but they turned out to be the wrong size: 6mm instead of 4mm. Mine has the nut on the end of the shaft. The seal turned out to be easy to make from off-the-shelf sealing strip costing a couple of pounds. Any good mechanic should be able to do it, though it's a straightforward DIY job. The only uncommon tool needed is a puller. A new pump would probably need the mountings re-engineered.

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Pete

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

I thought there were 4 pumps shown in the manual? Mine is the second shown. A square firting for the top pipework that runs off to the heat exchanger. Mine is also a nut on the end of the pulley. I'm interested to know if this is the same you are thinking of and if you could give me more info on fixing?

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

Hello Jamie,

Pete and I may be at cross-purposes here!

Pete is writing about the Sihi raw water / keel-cooling pump which appears to be easy to refit.

I was writing about the on-engine primary coolant pump at the front of the cylinder head and adjacent to the thermostat housing.

Which one is leaking?

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

Our e-mails crossed!

I am writing about the pump shown in Fig 22 on page 18 of the operators manual!

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

I'm talking about the engine cooling pump mounted centrally above the crankshaft pulley. My raw water pump is a jabsco and operating fine. So the engine one can't be so easily repaired? page 57 of this manual:

http://www.dafmotoren.nl/documents/Workshop%20Manual%20DD%20DF%20DT.pdf

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

Hello Jamie,

That is a more complete version of the workshop manual than we have on the web-site and shows the two versions of the water pump on pages 57-59.

Vinkdiesel refurbish these pumps and expect your old pump back in part-exchange.

It must be possible to refurbish yourself although the manual on the web-site does show a special tool for pressing the seal into place. Getting all the spares needed for refitting may be more difficult than a refurbished pump - but I haven't investigated that.

Best Wishes

Andy Soper

Mv Neeltje
Cormorant
Spade Oak Reach
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+44 (0)7940598364 , [phone] or Skype - andy.soper1

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Post by DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie
http://www.dafmotoren.nl/documents/Workshop%20Manual%20DD%20DF%20DT.pdf

[DBA Forum (B) - Pete Milne]

As well as confusion about the pump, there is also confusion about manuals for the DAF 575/475/615. There are at least the following, which are now all in the DBA Library (http://tinyurl.com/ocoogaa).
Operators Manual (operation and basic maintenance)
Instruction manual (operation & maintenance)
Workshop manual (1972, 30pp)
Workshop manual (1979, 87pp)

Back to the question. Vink are good but even less useful than the company in Cheshire that Jamie doesn't want to use, thopugh they might send a new pump before receiving the old in exchange. There must be a DAF supplier closer than those two, surely.
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Pete

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

I thought I'd better clarify, should anyone get the wrong impression, that I am happy to go to the guys in Cheshire. From all I can tell they seem very good. I wouldn't want people thinking I'd heard bad things! But as Pete says, I'm surprised this part for such a common engine isn't more widely available. Anyway, thanks very much for all the suggestion so far. I think between those suppliers suggested I should find what I need. If I get lucky elsewhere, I'll make sure to post the results.

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Hello again. This has become a bit of a nightmare. Vink want close to 700 euros for a new bearing housing and impeller! Not even the rest of the pump unit. I've found one of a different design in the uk for £180 plus vat and am now wondering if this could be used for part to cobble something together. If I am looking at replacing the bearings and seals, which seems most likely, does anyone know if it's possible to source these parts? I'm resigned to a DIY job since, despite an apparent recession, trying to get hold of a mechanic to come and do the job is almost as hard as finding the pump! What's the old saying? If you want a job doing properly...

Lastly, if the shaft is scored in any way, I may be able to have another remade at less cost.

Is this the path to madness?

Thanks

Jamie

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Oh, whilst typing the last, cink came back to me by email with a price for bearings and seal at 100 euros. Fine. But they mention a wearin ring on the impelleexplain anybody explain what this is and how hard to replace or repair? Thanks

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

Hello Jamie,

Vinkdiesel charged 455 Euros five years ago which was cheaper than the French shipyard sourcing the parts and re-fitting the pump.

Have you tried looking at www.dizelsan.com?

My pump is DAF part number 0200146 - it might be worth contacting local DAF dealer to look it up on the DAF spares site for you - although that might just lead you straight back to Vink!

The wear ring is just that - it wears out to protect the other components and will need replacing - shown in your manual. May need the special tool mentioned to replace.

[DBA Forum (B) - Chris Roy]

James

Try a search of the old forum postings.
I seem to remember one member who posted about a company in the UK that reconditioned his pump for under £200.
Worth a try.

Regards
Chris

[DBA Forum (B) - Derek Kendall]

Jamie, Is this what you are looking for?
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/watersport-en-boten/accessoires-en-onderhoud/m721365941-daf-waterpomp-gebruikt.html?c=3c1f5dcc18d02a99040ca8de656940d2&previousPage=lr

Also these guys have refurbished pumps at approx 400 euro.
http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-onderdelen/vrachtwagen-onderdelen/m718646472-waterpomp-daf-475-575-615.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr

email owners-good english spoken- Nathassia Saalbach, natd.giessendam-***@public.gmane.org

They require the old pump in per or charge another 300 euro.

Good luck. My DAF pump is in Cheshire being rebuilt right now.

Good luck
Derek

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Derek

Thanks. That's interesting about the gus in Cheshire. They told me they could turn it around in 24 hours but it would depend on parts. Do you know the timescale for yours?

[DBA Forum (B) - Derek Kendall]

They said under a week which is why I didn't hop over to Holland. As much fun as that would have been.

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Is it a lady called Jackie at Spwaterpumps? I ask because if it is I can say to her that it's the same one that I'm sending which should help with getting a timescale on the work.

Thanks very much for the links to the sales pages. I may try them if I have no other luck.

Cheers

Jamie


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They said under a week which is why I didn't hop over to Holland. As much fun as that would have been.



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[DBA Forum (B) - Derek Kendall]

Yes that's who I contacted.


On 24 Sep 2013 12:16, "DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie" <dbabarges-pvYRptiajiAdnm+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:
Is it a lady called Jackie at Spwaterpumps? I ask because if it is I can say to her that it's the same one that I'm sending which should help with getting a timescale on the work.



Thanks very much for the links to the sales pages. I may try them if I have no other luck.



Cheers



Jamie





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[DBA Forum (B) - Chris and Sheila Ries]

Just about to check with my local DAF main dealer on the price and
availability of the seal and wear ring - two years ago it was £28.84 and
£14.03 respectively.

Back after lunch.

Chris Ries
Mooi Aak
chrisandsheila.ries-***@public.gmane.org
0044 (0)1634 362788
DBA member and own a DAF engine? Contact me for manuals and information.
Need an International Certificate of Competence (ICC/CEVNI) Power or Sail?
Contact me for a foc exam.
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Post by DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie
Oh, whilst typing the last, cink came back to me by email with a price for
bearings and seal at 100 euros. Fine. But they mention a wearin ring on
the impelleexplain anybody explain what this is and how hard to replace or
repair? Thanks

[DBA Forum (B) - Chris and Sheila Ries]

Just been talking to my DAF main dealers - Channel Commercials.

There are some 20 different part numbers listed for the water pump on this
engine, however the perceived wisdom is that the seal, the ring and the
bearings are all identical.

Part numbers and prices (all + VAT):-

Wear ring - 1270246 £13.26
Water seal - 1825490 £30.34
Bearings (2 off) - 0521822 £13.28 each
Engine to water pump gaskets - awaiting part numbers and prices
Drift for pressing in the water seal - 2-99-0535656 - approx £40.
It's an idea to change the bearings to avoid any possibility of future
trouble.

The only means of finding your water pump part number is to quote the engine
spec number, which is to be found on the round aluminium plate on the raised
dome on the rocker cover. Embossed on this plate is to be found the spec
no., injection pump settings and other date. However the spec number is the
important one, as it is unique to your engine and defines all the parts that
were used to build it. I must impress on all DAF owners that they MUST
record this number; without it correct sourcing of some spares could be
difficult.

Changing the seal, ring and bearings on your pump is a simple job, which
shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a small engineering firm. Mine were
changed 15 years ago by an instructor in the local technical college.

If you let me know your location, I'll send you the address and phone number
of your nearest DAF dealer. Alternatively I can get them for you and post
them on. Order tomorrow and they should be here by Friday.

Let me have your phone number and we can talk if necessary.

Chris Ries
Mooi Aak
chrisandsheila.ries-***@public.gmane.org
0044 (0)1634 362788
DBA member and own a DAF engine? Contact me for manuals and information.
Need an International Certificate of Competence (ICC/CEVNI) Power or Sail?
Contact me for a foc exam.
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Post by DBA Forum (B) - Chris and Sheila Ries
Just about to check with my local DAF main dealer on the price and
availability of the seal and wear ring - two years ago it was £28.84 and
£14.03 respectively.
Back after lunch.
Chris Ries
Mooi Aak
0044 (0)1634 362788
DBA member and own a DAF engine? Contact me for manuals and information.
Need an International Certificate of Competence (ICC/CEVNI) Power or Sail?
Contact me for a foc exam.
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Post by DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie
Oh, whilst typing the last, cink came back to me by email with a price
for bearings and seal at 100 euros. Fine. But they mention a wearin ring
on the impelleexplain anybody explain what this is and how hard to
replace or repair? Thanks

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie S Mackenzie]

Thanks for all the replies. I've now taken the pump off and sent it to a firm for re-build. Total cost is looking like £120. That's not including parcel force to get it there overnight but the firm have told me its likely to be 24 hour turnaround so happy to pay to get it there quickest. Good to know the parts are available should I need them again. I'm fairly sure the detail on my engine plate are long since rubbed away but I'll look again. Gasket for engine to pump is the only outstanding issue.

[DBA Forum (B) - Chris Roy]

James

Any chance you could share the name and full contact details of your pump refitter and perhaps we could get them on the website for future reference.

Regards
Chris

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie Mackenzie]

Happy to. I was going to wait and see what the results are...! Should know by Friday.

[DBA Forum (B) - Jamie Mackenzie]

Have just received my waterpump. Cannot praise the service highly enough. From looking at very high prices for the parts from main dealers, SP Waterpumps, the same chaps that Derek is using, have just returned my pump on less than 24 hour turnaround. It looked like new. Pump arrived with SP yesterday at 12 noon (following Parcel Force debacle). Should have been there at 10. Despite delay, it is now in my office having been delivered by courier at 9 this morning.

Shot blasted, with all new parts. I left the pulley on which wasn't a problem for them. I also left very specific instructions involving one bolt that couldn't be removed without removing the pulley and therefore had to go back in before the pulley was replaced. All done as requested.

Even better, the pump/block gasket which I then needed to find has been cut out by SP and returned with the pump, all part of the service. £120 including carriage back.

SP Waterpumps, Warrington. www.spwaterpumps.co.uk

Jackie or Adrian. Both brilliant.

With apologies to Derek as I think he was quoted a week but i did make quite a fuss and have to re-fit and move the barge this weekend!

Thanks for all the suggestions that came my way. Much appreciated.

Jamie

[DBA Forum (B) - Derek Kendall]

Exactly the same experience for me. Pump returned in "as new" condition after no more then four hours in their care!


They deal with ALL water pumps, not just DAF, brilliant service.










On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:34 AM, DBA Forum (B) - Jamie Mackenzie <dbabarges-pvYRptiajiAdnm+***@public.gmane.org> wrote:

Have just received my waterpump. Cannot praise the service highly enough. From looking at very high prices for the parts from main dealers, SP Waterpumps, the same chaps that Derek is using, have just returned my pump on less than 24 hour turnaround. It looked like new. Pump arrived with SP yesterday at 12 noon (following Parcel Force debacle). Should have been there at 10. Despite delay, it is now in my office having been delivered by courier at 9 this morning.




Shot blasted, with all new parts. I left the pulley on which wasn't a problem for them. I also left very specific instructions involving one bolt that couldn't be removed without removing the pulley and therefore had to go back in before the pulley was replaced. All done as requested.




Even better, the pump/block gasket which I then needed to find has been cut out by SP and returned with the pump, all part of the service. £120 including carriage back.



SP Waterpumps, Warrington. www.spwaterpumps.co.uk



Jackie or Adrian. Both brilliant.



With apologies to Derek as I think he was quoted a week but i did make quite a fuss and have to re-fit and move the barge this weekend!



Thanks for all the suggestions that came my way. Much appreciated.



Jamie