Registration

[DBA Forum (B) - John Arthur Tundervary]

Do I need to deregister the 60ft barge I am purchasing in Holland or can I do it in the UK, expensive in Holland, was told it would be best to leave it registered in Holland, not too keen on that idea, if any one can advise me I would be much obliged, thank you .

JOHN

[DBA Forum (B) - Andy Soper]

If your barge is registered in NL then you can only de-register it in NL - any notary acting for the transaction should be able to do this for you without great expense.

You can then register the ship in the UK Small Ships Register - on-line and cheap.

Leaving the ship on the Dutch register is another option but it will need to be transferred to your name.

[DBA Forum (B) - Pete Clark]

[quote="John Arthur Tundervary" post=58525]...was told it would be best to leave it registered in Holland, not too keen on that idea[/quote]

None of my business, but do you have a particular reason for not being keen on leaving it registered in NL? I'm no expert on registration etc., Andy Soper and others know far more (see e.g. Andy's post), but for what it's worth: I bought a NL registered barge in 2008 and left it registered there, more to avoid the admin of de- and re-registering it than anything else, which meant that the administration was very simple. The only problems I've ever had (if problems they can be called) is (1) that Dutch folk, understandably, hail us in Dutch, which neither of us speak, so there is a moment or two of confusion until we establish our credentials; and (2) the fact that the name is impossible to pronounce unless one is Dutch! So no problem at all, and makes for interesting chats with fellow boat
ers of various nationalities on the waterways.

Pete Clark
Nooit Gedacht

PS: I think it means more or less "Ooda thawtit?"

[DBA Forum (B) - Pete. Milne]

The country of registration makes very little practical difference.

It defines the flag (ensign) that [i]should[/i] be flown at the stern (i.e the same as the country of registry) but many people ignore that with no problem. All over the place I see Dutch registered boats with UK flags, SSR boats with Antipodean flags and all nationalities with the EU flag, which isn't a valid ship's ensign anywhere.

The Dutch registry (Kadaster) gives proof of ownership and (more important when you're buying) proves that the boat is not mortgaged. The the SSR doesn't - but one should have bill-of-sale papers of some sort to to show you own a boat wherever it was bought or registered.

Every registry requires that the boat is not on another registry.

My barge is Dutch and has more history than me so keeps its Dutch flag. The only language confusion is with the occasional person talking Dutch to me, which helps me learn it, but almost anyone who speaks Dutch also speaks English, so as Pete Clark says it's no problem.

Pete.

[DBA Forum (B) - John Arthur Tundervary]

Not really Pete just a bit patriotic like flying the Red Ensign on the stern,

JOHN

[DBA Forum (B) - Peter Smith]

When our barge was re-furnished in the Netherlands I was asked if it was registered in the Netherlands or offshore. If registered in the Netherlands tax was charged at 23%. if offshore registration then tax did not need to be charged.
My devious mind wonders if I could buy a aged barge in th Netherlands, move the registration offshore, pay no tax on the work. On arrival at my country of registration I provide the original purchase documents only and as it is a pre tax ship pay no tax. I could then return to my preferred cursing grounds with a cleansed ship. And maybe re-apply for Netherlands registration.
Or is big brother a wake up to this?

[DBA Forum (B) - Pete Clark]

[quote="Peter Smith" post=58559]... I could then return to my preferred cursing grounds...
Or is big brother a wake up to this?[/quote]

The question possibly becomes self-fulfilling when aired on a public forum ... meaning they could well become your (non-preferred?) cursing grounds!